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could take out these powerpoint presentations and deliver them for an hour before voters in some small town in wisconsin and instead this was very much a debate that is going to be discussed on issues of style and that clip you showed really demonstrates that. those are substantive issues. they were trying to discuss. and look at biden interrupting paul ryan with humor, making a joke, of course, about jack kennedy. of course, many of the romney campaign advisers are saying they think ryan did well, they're talking about biden as nancy said being over the top but i think i spoke with one who i think really nailed it. he says he believes biden may have helped the president with his base. and i said that really was an important thing for him to do right after what the president did last week because many of his supporters were kind of demoralized after that performance and he said it was. but what about the independents. what about the undecides. they may well be turned off by some of the things we saw from the vice president tonight. we can see paul ryan holding his own on the stage, but
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